Kōrero: Ideas about Māori origins

Ki mua

Te pakitara o Kaimanawa

Whai muri

E ai ki ētahi pūkenga, tērā tētahi iwi i noho ki Aotearoa i mua i te Māori; he taunaki tēnei pakitara o te ngahere o Kaimanawa hei tautoko i tō rātou ariā. Ko te kōrero, nā tētahi iwi pea ngā ‘papa kōhatu’ i whakatū. Heoi, ehara nā te tangata tēnei pakitara i auaha. He piere ngā papa kōhatu i puta mai i te mātaotanga o te kōhatu, neke atu i ngā tau 330,000 ki mua.

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New Zealand Herald

Reference: 3 May 1996

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Me pēnei te tohu i te whārang

K. R. Howe, Ideas about Māori origins – 1920s–2000s: new understandings, Te Ara – the Encyclopedia of New Zealand, https://teara.govt.nz/mi/document/1603/te-pakitara-o-kaimanawa (accessed 4 June 2026).

He kōrero nā K. R. Howe, i tāngia i te 4 March 2009.

Comments

Brian Currie
21 April 2024

Unbelievable looks like what we saw in Peru, why not expose the site that would prove it one way or another. Or is that common sense.

Mark Holloway
11 March 2024

It would be helpful if you provided evidence of this being a natural phenomenon, other examples etc

Joe
18 November 2023

Sorry but anyone who thinks that's a natural formation need their heads read. One of the blocks has even shifted a bit and you can see the perfectly flat surface inside, natural my ass. There were techniques to manipulate stone back then which we are unaware of today and cannot replicate. This is a worldwide hidden history, an excavation should be done there, the truth is what matters.

James Gerard Wakefield
09 October 2023

Visited this site last month it is man made and not that old contemporize with Polynesian occupation maybe before Maorie migration. Maui travelled around the Pacific certainly lived in NZ and Tonga the Tongans can show you the district in which he lived. Very like some Tongan mounds and of course the Ha amonga a Maui . This pic is about 7 metres above the wall https://flic.kr/p/2p6ANyi Cannot understand what the fuss is about . It is a great find. Jim Wakefield

IAN CASSIE
20 February 2023

i think most of the so called NATURAL PHENOMENA is due to political science OF HERE BE MOSTERS ,

Thomas
03 September 2022

How do we know that its naturally forming? Like what pieces of evidence led the researchers to that conclusion? I think people need a more in depth explanation to believe that it's natural because admittedly it looks man made.

Lindz Wallace
17 September 2021

If it was man made that would create a few implications regarding the the treaty of Waitangi.. who then would be the true tanga the whenua and what then would be the right for claim. I can't say wether it's man made or natural I can though say that the history of Earth and the movements of people's upon it is fraught with lies(I'm not going to type for hours about the subject, or on cognitive dissonance, or compartmentalization or flat out ignorance). There are more mysteries surrounding New Zealand's history than this wall and these 'mysteries' are common place world wide. I do find it interesting that that some Maoris who have kept their oral history regarding subjects such as the Waitaha freely admit they were not the first settlers. Go figure lol

jody trewheela
03 July 2017

All the information on the kaimanawa wall are evident that this structure is man made and the top experts like David Childress have examined and believe the wall could be a pyramid , and to solve the mystery does anyone know if its possible for a petition to be signed in favour to have the site excavated incase their is a forgotton civilisation that predates moari that could possibly rewrite new zealands history

Stu Kora
01 July 2017

These are NOT natural structures!! They were built well before we arrived.

Brian
30 November 2016

Why and When did the Government put a moratorium over information on this site??

Hone
12 July 2016

I have visited the area many times while hunting, it certainly looks man made and the chances of finding any signs of human activity from 2000 years or even less for that matter would be nigh on impossible, it is covered in beech forest that was logged I think in the 1950s, the clements mill site is further down and on the opposite side of the road. If one walks through the forest they will find old piles of fence batons that were left behind around the same time, men would fell a tree and cut it to baton lengths then split the log using dynamite and wedges, all done on the spot, then they would cart them out, the piles left behind were probably done so because they could not fit them on the load and it would be uneconomical to go back and get them. Couple this with the actual logging operations which traces of are also visible in the form of old overgrown pulling tracks one gets the impression that the whole area has been turned over and anyone who has seen the effects of a logging operation will know what I'm talking about. An interesting fact is when the light in the media the Taupo Times had a write up about it and a spokesperson for the Tuwharetoa (the local Maori tribe) said they knew all about it and it was quote - on their secret map! How convenient, sounds like something I would expect to hear from George Bush

Frankie Lingham
15 May 2016

Went to see this wall yesterday, 14/5/2016. You will never convince me this isn't man made. These blocks of rock are dead square, with both horizontal and perpendicular joints. They are a perfect fit, just like the stones in many archaeological sites around the world, they are large and they are very flat edged. There is nothing NATURAL about them at all. If any of the doubters expect their explanations to be believed, there should be many of these so called "natural structures" allover this area. Furthermore, if they are indeed natural why has the Government got a moratorium over information on this site???

tangatawhenua16
08 May 2016

The wall is a natural occurrence but lets not take the scientific explanation. Lets take another direction. Who, out of all these theorists, has just grabbed a shovel and began to dig to find out what's behind it? No one! Why? For just 4 hours work they still won't do it lest they be proved wrong. If it is what you say it is...dig it out and prove it. If you are right I will pay you $5000 cash and feature your find on my website and Ancient Origins website.

Keil
01 March 2016

Taupo lake is a caldera volcano. Theres no mention of it in this artical as a possible link to there being no artifacts left on site. It exploded 800 years ago didnt it?

Keil
01 March 2016

Taupo lake is a caldera volcano. Theres no mention of it in this artical as a possible link to there being no artifacts left on site. It exploded 800 years ago didnt it?

Frank
25 October 2015

I've checked out the website and don't see anything similar to the Kaimanawa Wall, which I am told has horizontal, as well as vertical, joints. I think there are many ancient sites where it is not easy to find the evidence of tools and techniques used in quarrying and dressing the stones. Also, the more ancient the site, the less likely it would be to find such traces. 2000 years is only one person's guess as far as I can see. Why not 1500 or 5000? Evidence is needed, but you have to be prepared to look. Galileo had a problem getting people to look through his telescope. I hope we've moved on from that time.

Rob
25 August 2015

Actually there's lots of supporting info for Shaun's geological explanation... do a search on this text if you doubt it, and read the full report: "Extensive systems of open, continuous, vertical joints occur in many ignimbrites, typically forming a very widely spaced (3–5 m), irregular columnar pattern". Or search this: "Columnar jointing is thought to occur primarily in lavas and welded pyroclastic flow deposits". Or read this and check out the pics: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columnar_jointing It happens all over the world, naturally. I've seen it. Millions have. Alternatively, if it *was* done by hand 2,000 years ago (as suggested) then you would expect to find evidence of tool use, like chipping and dressing marks on the rocks. And test rocks, and rocks that split by accident. And a quarry nearby. And trackways to drag the rocks. You would also expect to find the tools used left in the area, some evidence of moving stones around, encampments for hundreds of people and everything associated with moving and lifting such large stone blocks... like human bones, animal bones, shelter, artefacts... none of which have been found. It is claimed that a rat was found, but reliably dating said rat is not so easy. And the rest of the evidence? All buried and so far lost, unlike the "wall"? Hmmm.

jay
07 December 2014

"...all over the place in the north island."? Where could I find another one of these natural formations? I doubt the Kaimanaua Wall would be in question if it was one of many. I agree with Karen, it is a silly official explaination. Especially, with the site now being excavated to resolve the issue once and for all.

Shaun
14 June 2013

Actually, to correct the two uneducated prior posters, this is in fact a natural ignimbrite formation with what are known as jointing patterns & factures that occur as the rock cools after being deposited by a pyroclastic flow. This isn't a dismissal or refusal to investigate further, this has been investigated thoroughly by geologists and absolutely is a natural phenomenon, there's no question about it. Furthermore, this is hardly unique, ignimbrite occurs like this all over the place in the North Island. So yep, nothing to be seen here, no conspiracy to cover up the truth. They're just jointed volcanic rocks, people.

Karen
04 July 2012

What a silly "official" explanation. I don't understand the unwillingness to examine this site and see what the wall may be associated with, as it seems unlikely for any culture to have built a wall out in nowhere for nothing. BTW, I have a degree in anthropology and have been on Mayan digs in Honduras. I really loved the field, but did not pursue it as a career because of just this sort of closed thinking. In the rest of the world anything not readily explained is a "religious artifact". In New Zealand, anything unexplained is either a natural phenomena or somehow Maori. Sigh.

Patrick
27 January 2012

right so all of the fractures just so happen to vertically or hoisontally and never in any diagonal direction. I have been there to see it and another thing I have noticed is that the wall runs exactly east to west as I have seen in a few sources and confirmed when I was there. It also is just natural for volcanoes to form big rectangularish shapes.